Welcome to the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Please Join us. We meet in Duluth on the first Sunday of every month, 9am at the downtown Radisson. Our meetings are free and open to the public.

Upcoming Meetings

August 2014
Rebecca Markert , Senior Staff Attorney for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, will describe the struggle to keep America a secular nation - as constitutionally founded.
Tuesday, July 29, 2014

August 2014 Newsletter

August, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com


Rebecca Markert, Senior Staff Attorney for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, will describe the struggle to keep America a secular nation - as constitutionally founded.

Jeremy Grinnell, assistant professor at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, pled guilty to using a ladder under a couple's bedroom window to watch them have sex. (At least he had a lofty cause.)

Pastor Abuses 13-Year-Old, Forces Him to Dig Own Grave

A California pastor and two members of his congregation admitted in court that they physically abused a 13-year-old boy and made him dig his own grave.

According to The Los Angeles Times, 56-year-old Heart of Worship Community Church Pastor Lonny Lee Remmers, 24-year-old Nicholas James Craig and 30-year-old Darryll Duane Jeter Jr. said that they were following instructions to “scare” the victim. All three of the men had worked at a group home where the boy lived.

In March of 2012, the men reportedly took the victim to the desert where he was forced to dig a grave. After he got in the grave, the men threw dirt on him. The men also rubbed salt into his wounds while he was showering, tied him to a chair with zip ties, and sprayed mace on his face until he bled. At one point, the boy was made to sit in the middle of a Bible study group and pinch his own nipples with pliers, investigators said.

Remmers could be sentenced to up to two years in prison after pleading guilty to inflicting bodily injury on a child and assault with a deadly weapon. Craig and Jeter were ordered to serve one year in prison, and placed on three years of formal probation after pleading guilty to child abuse charges and making criminal threats. A sentencing hearing for Remmers is scheduled for Sept. 26.

Climate Change and population – by George Erickson

The growing awareness of climate change is encouraging, but few dare to connect it to overpopulation, which is the source of the problem. Back in the fifties, when world population was a bit over 2 billion, scientists were already warning of the disastrous effects of runaway populations. Now, our world population of 7 billion affects not only climate but also world politics.

In the seventies, the Nixon administration initiated the National Security Study Memorandum 200 report that revealed the dangers of overpopulation and called for universal access to family planning aids. However, the NSSM 200 report was subsequently "classified" and hidden for nearly 20 years – due to pressure from the Vatican.

Since then, the Vatican, Islamic leaders and Protestant fundamentalists have contributed enormously to overpopulation, which must be addressed in order to mitigate Climate Change. The earth is already overburdened with humans. Even 4 billion is too many to properly feed and house – and we now have 7 billion. It’s time to stop publicizing the Duggars and the Octomoms of the world.

AS POPES GO……... – by Bill Van Druten

As popes go, and they should, Pope William I, the Apostate would be an improvement. We have lots of talk now about how different Pope Francis is from his predecessor clowns. Still, he has not dumped any of the catholic magic or prosecuted any abusers or protectors that I know of. But we need to think out of the confessional box and wonder: What would a suitably different pope be like: Look no further. I am glad to offer my services a Pope William the I-th. Couldn't get much differenter that that.

No problem with my apostical beliefs. We had Pope Leo X in the Muddled Ages saying something like, "We all know how profitable this fable of Jesus Christ is for our company." He should know. And he had lots of company among his buddy con artists. Back then they actually did make ordinary guys with some kind of useful clout into popes. So I should be good to go, which is what all popes should do - go away, far, far away. Hit the road, hack, and don't come back no more.

Could happen. Maybe next [month] if this Francis guy doesn't pan out or is poisoned in the honored tradition. And I've had inquiries from the curia. They want to know of my clothing needs when they elect me. To be suitably different, I would need a different suit. I have some faded yellow cord trousers but they are worn thin where I crossed my legs before I got my arthritic hips from a former god. But I don't want to prance about in Judy Garland's ruby Slippers and all the skirts and trash that popes are fond of. Oh, and I do love the turtleneck, long sleeve, waffle weave shirts for winter here in Minnesota where my new papacy will be installed with barrels of champagne, beer, martinis and community consensual lusty dancing girls or men if you like. I don't, but to each his or her own.

I will pontificate big time. For zample; you CAN have any erotic lust you enjoy as long as no one is abused and that includes priests and nuns who will be able to do whatever the hell they want if no children are troubled. NO, you cannot bugger children any more, boys or girls and you cannot tell them any lies about imaginary, magical two, three four or more part gods in the sky.

What the hell, I will eliminate the nastiness altogether and reserve hell for eternal vacations on pure white sand with charming pale blue water where everyone comes for retirement in their peak condition or better, in many cases.

My pontifical motto will be Chacun A son Gout -- for everyone according to her/his taste long as no one is abused.

Those who disobey will be dispatched to heaven where they will be condemned to sing gawdawfully long praises eternally until their throats are destroyed and then they play a harp until their fingers wither. Oh, but then they will be forced to kiss the ass of Jesus and god until they die of infection or puke out their guts, whichever is last.


The leader of Romania's Orthodox Church was shown in June on the church's website performing a traditional blessing of a newly inaugurated facility, in this case the church-owned Trinitas Radio and Television studios. The rooms are big and the walls are tall, so Patriarch Daniel applied the holy oil to the walls with a long-armed commercial paint roller.


H L Mencken – the Great Skeptic

I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind--that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking.

I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious. . .

I believe that the evidence for immortality is no better than the evidence of witches, and deserves no more respect.

I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech . . .

I believe in the capacity of man to conquer his world, and to find out what it is made of, and how it is run.

I believe in the reality of progress.

But the whole thing, after all, may be put very simply. I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than be ignorant. - -- Mencken's Creed, cited by George Seldes in the Great Thoughts

Those Radical Atheists!

Radical Muslims fly planes into buildings and kill cartoonists and authors.

Radical Christians kill abortion doctors, start wars, pray their children to death and hinder educational progress with creationism.

Radical atheists write books.


The Minnesota Republican who claims AIDS is caused by sperm eating your colon is, it turns out, just full of top-notch science alleging that the fossil record proves that “dinosaurs have always lived with man,” and such “real science” should be taught in public schools.
Friday, July 4, 2014

July 2014 Newsletter

July, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com

Program - Potpourri--What's On Our Minds

An Invitation

Charles Gessert, Barbara Stark & Jonathan Gessert invite you to a Summer Celebration: Tuesday, July 15, 5 to 8 pm. LIVE MUSIC BY ANN ZIMMERMAN! 2311 East 3rd Street. BYO lawn chairs/blankets, beverages, snacks, self and friends. Ann Zimmerman, a singer and songwriter from Salina, Kansas, celebrates the joy, sorrow, grandeur and silliness of life. Ann appears annually at the world-renowned Land Institute in central Kansas, and was voted the "People's Choice" winner in the Wildflower! Festival song contest near Dallas. Samples of her music & links to her CDs are available at www.annzimmerman.com. The event is free but donations to help with Ann’s travel expenses are greatly appreciated. Questions: 218-728-6019

Breaking News!
MN Candidates for Sainthood Announced

Now that the Catholic Church (Roman variety) has begun to crank out saints again, I’m pleased to reveal that high on their new list of candidates – and in this order - are Sir Lancelot, the self-proclaimed example of purity of purpose and practice, our very own William Van Druten – and (blush) me!

Frankly, I’d be higher on the list if it weren’t for my constant battle to remain civil when confronted by determined religionists – a subject that recently came to mind when we hosted a speaker who is a former Jehovah’s Witlesss – oops, that’s WITNESS!

For example, I feel guilty every time I tell about the remote African outpost (this is true) in which the J Ws were overjoyed when their free handout, the Watchtower, suddenly became a local best “seller,” only to learn a week later (when interest faded) that the only store in town had finally been resupplied with toilet paper. Yes, I feel guilty about telling that, but I can’t resist, even if it puts me behind that Druten guy, who is nowhere near as saintly as some assume.

Here’s another example: Whenever these devoted disciples of dogma (J Ws, Mormons, whatever), darken my door, I’m tempted to look astonished, then turn and shout back into my house, “Hey, Sally, you said there is no such thing as time travel – but there are two people from the Stone Age here right now!

I haven’t done it yet, but it sooo tempting. In the meantime, although there already was a Saint George – the dragon guy – I’m going to try to behave. Having “Saint” beside my name would look and sound really wonderful, even if I’d only be Saint George II.

Seriously folks, if the Pope really wanted to do something useful and critically necessary, he’d campaign for birth control, which leads to the next topic – see below.

At our June meeting we had an excellent presentation on OVERPOPULATION by Karen Shragg, in which she stressed the importance of constantly speaking about overpopulation, despite the tendency to focus on ways to be “green” while addressing the needs of an expanding population. She’s RIGHT! And although I’ve printed this link in the newsletter before, I’m presenting it again in the hope that more will devote just 6 minutes to viewing this excellent short video. If the link does not work, copy it into your browser.

An Appeal from Dave Clark of Skyline Shuttle

Hello, I work for the Duluth to Minneapolis Airport shuttle service. Your group came to mind because we need drivers to work on Sunday morning to early afternoon or Saturday evening. I have been to one of your meetings and noted that many of your members were in our demographic for part-time drivers. We have several drivers between the ages of 50 and 70 (70 is our max) who drive between 1 and 3 days per week for us. It's an enjoyable job for those who like to interact with travelers from all over the world as well as drive. Please send resumes to my manager Tasha Leyendecker at tasha@skylineshuttle.com (218-724-4676). Contact Dave at davclark@hotmail.com.
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Bible-Thumping Pastor Believes Women Shouldn't Interfere with 'God's Will' In Pregnancy—Except His Own Wife – by Valerie Tarico

The Pill is destroying America, making women into idle gossips, according to Baptist pastor Steven Anderson. Feminism, coupled with birth control, gives a woman the power to decide when to have children, allowing her to pursue other interests: “You know, my main goal is to go to college, and to graduate from college, and I’m going to be a lawyer and I’m going to be a doctor and I’m going to be a marine biologist.” Now, you may think it sounds good. But it’s actually bad. A woman who isn’t “busy about having children” gets into “sin!”

Anderson opened a recent sermon-length rant against contraception by quoting Genesis: “Unto the woman he said I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16) A father of seven, Anderson thinks women should let God manage their family planning because the Bible, in his words, makes God’s will clear.

But when his wife’s most recent pregnancy became high-risk, Anderson turned to some of the best modern medical specialists available, ultimately choosing a procedure that maximized the likelihood that one of two threatened identical twins would live.

One baby was in danger of dying from severe anemia and dehydration, leading to brain damage and cardiac arrest, while the other baby struggled with an excess of blood volume that was likely to also lead to cardiac arrest and death. Untreated, the chances of the babies surviving were about five percent for one twin, zero percent for both.

Christian patriarchs like Anderson pound the pulpit about women thwarting God’s plan, but when push comes to shove in the pregnancy and delivery process, normal human emotions often win out. Anderson and his wife did their homework and she underwent a series of procedures that saved one twin — also killed the other.

The most powerful tool of the anti-abortion, anti-contraception patriarchs has been shaming in the name of the biblical God. Many women make difficult decisions about pregnancies — courageous, complicated decisions that are worthy of honor. With support from groups like the 1 in 3 Campaign and Exhale Pro Voice, we can help each other.

Barbara Walters and the Cardinal

Barbara Walters' retirement brings to mind her interview in the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court's Roe v Wade ruling in 1973. The interviewee was Cardinal John Krol of Philadelphia. Walters asked him something like this: "Would you approve of an abortion in the case of a twelve year old girl who has been raped and impregnated by a syphilitic insane criminal?" Krol's immediate response: "No. It would violate God's law and nature's law and it would violate the rights of the father." Walters, as I recall, was speechless. -- Edd Doerr, past president, American Humanist Association

Power of Prayer

Pastor John Benefiel of Oklahoma City's Church on the Rock says that in a 2007 blessing, he might have prayed "too hard" while attempting to help drought-stricken Texas and Oklahoma. The result: "every lake" in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri rose above flood stage, causing thousands of people to lose their homes and 22 to lose their lives.

Some US evangelicals believe that environmentalism is a native evil - The Guardian
The Cornwall Alliance, a prominent group of religious thinkers in the US, explains why it urges followers to 'resist the Green Dragon'

Cal Beisner, founder of the Cornwall Alliance.

....What is often not fully absorbed by onlookers is the underlying role that "pulpit power" plays in the environmental debate in the US. … particularly among evangelicals, you often see a vitriolic reaction against environmentalism.

Last month, a survey of 1,000 Protestant pastors found that 41% strongly disagreed with the statement: "I believe global warming is real and manmade."

Much of this debate seems to center on one of the so-called Dominion Mandate, or Genesis 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the Earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and every living thing….

I asked Beisner for an interview. He agreed, but asked me to read Resisting the Green Dragon: Dominion not Death by James Wanliss, who describes himself as a "Christian physicist". The book argues that "one of the greatest threats to society and the church is the multifaceted environmentalist movement". Here are a few snippets:

1 - The Litany of the Green Dragon provides certainty for people without God who lose their rational moorings, and for whom there is a sense of separation anxiety...

2 - Humans are special creatures, separate from and superior to trees and animals.

3 - The Green Dragon must die…There is no excuse to become befuddled by the noxious Green odors and doctrines emanating from the foul beast...

4 - It is no coincidence the rise of environmentalism as a significant political entity tracks the rising political clout of modern feminism...

Thursday, May 29, 2014

June 2014 Newsletter

June, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com

Program - Karen Shragg, , author and Board Member of World Population Balance will present The Goose, The Deer and The Mirror: An Activist’s Wake Up call on the Solvable Issue of Overpopulation.

Speaking of hell, how about that death penalty that Oklahoma can’t get right – although hundreds of heroin addicts have done it quite well?

Perhaps it’s time to use “Death Penalty – Right or Wrong?” as a coming program? Why, because many religions promote it, and most of the freethinkers I’ve queried are “not so enthused.” With that in mind here are some points to ponder:

HBO's John Oliver recently took on the death penalty, and when he asked for an explanation of the death penalty and when it is appropriate," he found Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, of the Bush administration, who believed in using the death penalty on "those who are guilty of committing the crime.” See - No problem!

In the U S, Rick Perry, who has presided over more than 200 executions, when asked during a debate if he is troubled that he might be executing the innocent, said, "Not at all."

And now, for more on the topic, here’s an excerpt from my 4th book – Eyes Wide Open: Living, Laughing, Loving and Learning is a Religion-troubled World.

Off With Their Heads?

Lewis Carroll's Queen of Hearts would have objected to the question mark at the end of my title, preferring, instead, an exclamation point. But despite the fact that the Queen favored capital punishment, and I sometimes agree with her, that question mark must remain.

We have long argued that punishments should fit the crime. Even Gilbert and Sullivan echoed that sentiment in the "Mikado," a spoof set in early 20th-century Japan. In one of its famous passages, the Emperor sings "My object all sublime I shall achieve in time, to let the punishment fit the crime, the punishment fit the crime!" And so, in the Mikado, a billiards hustler is condemned to play "On a cloth untrue with a twisted cue and elliptical billiard balls."

It would seem, therefore, that in cases of murder, Gilbert and Sullivan might sing along with "an eye for an eye" or "a life for a life." But if you know your "Mikado," you'll recall the Emperor's earlier, catch 22 decree that a person "Cannot cut off another's head until he's cut his own off."

The Queen of Hearts and Gilbert and Sullivan represent the capital punishment dilemma within the United States, where proponents and opponents each claim the majority, each citing polls that use different methods and timing. Taken during the height of a crime wave, it's often "thumbs up" for death by “whatever,” but a few months later, sentiments swing toward, "Aw, what the hell."

In the United States, the death penalty is reserved primarily for premeditated murders, such as murder for profit, multiple murders, or murder to silence witnesses. Some view the decline in executions as a tacit admission that the death penalty is immoral. Others counter that past overuse of the penalty argues not for its elimination, but only for a reduction. (In early Virginia the death penalty even applied to those who stole grapes or disbelieved in God)

Death penalty arguments usually focus on six areas:

1. Incapacitation: An executed murderer will never commit another crime. Society has a right to rid itself of deadly individuals, just as we seek out and destroy our own cells when they turn malignant. In that light, failing to eliminate murderers would seem irrational. However, if the convict is innocent, another crime will occur.

2. Deterrence: Proponents argue that murderers should not be allowed to outlive their victims, and that in the absence of the death penalty we are telling prospective murderers, "Don’t worry, no matter how many you torture or kill, YOUR life will be spared." Opponents claim that death penalties deter no one; that those intent on murder are either too driven or too deranged to consider the consequences, while others are convinced they will never be caught. Nevertheless, there are occasional admissions that the existence of a death penalty prevented an assault or robbery from escalating into a murder, which leads many to ask: If the death penalty deters even a few cases, why not keep it on the books?

3. Retribution or revenge: Although retribution is of limited importance to society as a whole, it can play a large part in allowing a victim's friends and relatives to make peace with their loss. Whether retribution should provide such a release is debatable, but the fact remains that, for many, it does.

4. Constitutional: Some assert that the death penalty constitutes a cruel and unusual punishment that is unconstitutional and inhumane. Others ask, "Is it not equally cruel to cage a person for the rest of their life?" In fact, a few prisoners, faced with that question, have demanded execution rather than face a life behind bars. Some commit suicide. Some proponents argue that murderers have shed their humanity, becoming beasts, and that in regretfully killing a killer, society reaffirms the value of the victim. Nevertheless, most of those who have attended an execution or have read detailed accounts of executions by gas, hanging or electrocution will confirm that the process is often revolting — a fact rendered supposedly moot by the introduction of painless, rapid-acting lethal injections – until Oklahoma.

5. Equality before the law: Opponents claim that the death penalty is used far more frequently against nonwhites, yet a study by L.W. Johnson, using Department of Justice statistics, reveals that although whites commit less than 40% of homicides, they represent more than half of the inmates on death row. What seems beyond dispute, however, is that capital punishment has often come to mean that those without the capital get the punishment. With the advantage of wealth, the sky is the limit, while others quickly exhaust their funds, and are forced to manage with court-appointed attorneys who operate on a limited budget and whose experience and interest in capital cases may be close to nil.

6. Cost factors: Execution advocates claim enormous savings compared to the expense of housing convicts for the rest of their lives. That may be, but it has little to do with the ethics of whether execution is appropriate punishment. An offsetting factor is that death penalties tend to generate more appeals and legal costs than life sentences. For example, one capital case underwent twenty court reviews, reached the Supreme Court four times, and involved 118 state and federal judges over a period of ten years.

Having reviewed the arguments, we now need to drill down to the "nitty gritty," a favorite phrase of Ross Perot. We need to decide how our philosophy informs our opinion. Assuming that we agree that the death penalty should be severely restricted, let's look at a few cases where I think it still should apply.

Consider Dan White, who murdered San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and then sought out and killed town supervisor Harvey Milk. Dan White, an overtly Christian, Caucasian male, escaped with a manslaughter conviction and was paroled after five and one-half years, despite convincing evidence of premeditation. His sentence is an example of unequal, inappropriate justice and an insult to society and the survivors. Mr. White later passed the appropriate sentence on himself and committed suicide.

Consider the physician who tortured his wife with unspeakable brutality, using acids and other atrocious means. She was left crippled, blind and deaf, barely able to speak or swallow, pleading to be helped to die. Modern medicine couldn't help her, and society allowed her murderer to continue his life on Earth. Should he have received a death sentence? Yes! Am I wrong? Maybe.

Consider the Chicago man who hired two thugs to rape and murder his wife so that he could use her insurance money to buy a motorcycle. He plea bargained down to a lesser charge, receiving life in prison, but many life sentences are later reduced. Should he have been executed? Why not?

Finally, I bring you two North Carolina men who went hunting. When they were unable to find anything to shoot, "not even a dog or a cow," they decided to kill a black person, which they did. Should they have been executed? Yes! Were they? No.

The sentencing of criminals deserves our close attention, but by focusing on the weeds, we often neglect the lawn. In my view, those who favor broad use of the death penalty are like doctors who prefer the certainty of amputation, claiming that corrective surgery, antibiotics, immunization and good nutrition are not 100% effective.

Instead, we need to prevent crime by reducing poverty and ignorance. We need family planning agencies that are not crippled with gag rules and restrictions engineered by the extremists of the religious right. We need economic opportunity to eliminate despair and to provide the hope of success. We need rich Americans to financially support the country and the people who made them wealthy, to turn away from amassing greater fortunes in offshore bank accounts to helping others build better lives. We need Americans who love their country more than they love their things.

As for enforcement, we need ample, well-trained, responsible police forces. We need more public and private support of civil liberties unions. We need prosecutors who seek the maximum provable indictment and who turn to plea bargaining only as a last resort. We need to (gasp) "socialize" law so that all defendants receive equal representation, sentencing and accommodations — no country club jails for the rich. We need court records to be available to those who determine verdicts and sentencing. We need mandatory sentences for specified crimes when prior convictions for violent crimes exist. And maybe we need to be less lenient on those who claim mitigation due to drug or alcohol use.

When education and social equity improve, perhaps there will be no need for capital punishment. But in the meantime, as we send soldiers off to murder and die in undeclared wars that are waged for economic gain or political advantage, many will continue to wonder why their deaths are lauded, while the execution of a tried and convicted murderer is not. As a consequence, in our less than perfect world, I reluctantly support tightly restricted, and racially unbiased use of the death penalty. Yet, because of my high regard for the many civil libertarians who dispute me, and my distaste at being in the company of the Queen of Hearts and “leaders” like G. W. Bush and Rick Perry, I hope someone proves me wrong.

Humanists put faith to test by giving schools free copies of atheist ‘bible’
Jochan Embley

A free copy of a secular text called The Young Atheist’s Handbook is being sent to every secondary school in England and Wales, in a drive to help teens live well without religion.

The initiative, which is solely funded by public donations, is the latest effort from the British Humanist Association (BHA) to support the teaching of humanist ideas in schools.

The Young Atheist’s Handbook, written by science teacher Alom Shaha, recounts his personal journey, from growing up as a Muslim in a Bangladeshi community in London to eventually embracing atheism. It also includes his reflections on philosophy and theology.

The idea of sending the handbook to schools was brought forward by another science teacher, Ian Horsewell, who approached the BHA after reading the text himself.

Mr. Shaha told The Independent that he hoped the scheme would expose young people to ideas beyond their upbringing. “I wrote it with the hope that it would be read by teenagers.

“This is a fantastic way of just putting my book out there so that a few more young people might have access to it or stumble across it.

“I want to be very clear that this is not about proselytising – it’s not about converting people. It is just about giving people the opportunity to see another point of view.

Andrew Copson, chief executive of the BHA, said of the initiative: “We couldn’t be happier that young people everywhere will now have access to this wonderful book.

“Alom’s message will no doubt inspire young people who are looking to find fulfilment and meaning in their lives, whatever their family background.”

Mr. Copson believes the introduction of Mr. Shaha’s book into schools’ libraries will provide balance to the views and belief systems currently available to students during their education.

“We believe schools should be places where pupils are free to encounter the full range of philosophies and world-views available to them in modern Britain.”

The Young Atheist’s Handbook: Extracts

* “I feel that it is deeply unfair that some people may never experience the joy of knowing that they can lead a perfectly happy life, full of meaning and purpose, without God.”

* “I think the idea that it is immoral to not believe in God is perhaps the most insidious one that parents encourage to take root in the minds of young children."

Advice from Pastor Sarah

Faithful America is the largest and fastest growing online community of Christians, putting faith into action for social justice. They have watched the right-wing political agendas highjack the true messages of Jesus, and this faith-based organization will no longer be silent. In her ever smug and sarcastic way, Sarah Palin, made an incredibly hateful and insensitive statement. Speaking to a cheering NRA crowd, Sarah Palin spouted: "…Water-boarding is how we baptize terrorists."

From Austin Ruse, head of the Catholic Family and Human rights Institute:

“The hard-left, human-hating people who run the universities… should be taken out and shot!”

From Arizona pastor Steven Anderson:

Because the Bible requires women to “worship in silence,” pastor Steve told women not to interrupt him with “amens,” adding “It’s not for a woman to be doing the preaching, and it’s not got women to be doing the speaking.”
Sunday, April 27, 2014

May 2014 Newsletter

May, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com

Program - Max Elfelt, president of the UMD Secular Humanists who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, will present "Jehovah's Witnesses: An In-depth Look".

George Carlin continued from the April issue.

Rather than be just another religious robot, I decided to look around for something else. And I thought of the sun. Overnight I became a sun-worshiper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshiper.

First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods, I can actually see the sun. If I can see something, it kind of helps the credibility along! So every day I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us. Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun.

But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan? Remember that? Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was good, put it into practice. And for billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every shmuck with a two-dollar prayer-book can come along and fuck up Your Plan? And here's something else: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun.

You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor. To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that prick out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, it’s all the same: 50-50.

So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons, you might want to look at the Three Little Pigs. I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. Never was.

I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!"

Real page from 8th grade fundie science book.

Praying for Our Troops
By Laurence Vance - March, 2014

While driving recently on Maitland Boulevard in central Florida, I came upon a billboard with a simple message: “Pray for Our Troops.”

Although I am often very critical of the actions of U.S. troops, I do believe—in spite of what people may think—in prayer for our troops. This is because the Bible exhorts us to pray for all men, which includes U.S. troops.

The problem is not the idea of praying for the troops, but the usual prayers that are offered on their behalf. When the typical church-going, prayer-saying American Christian sees such a billboard or is enjoined in church to pray for our troops, he generally thinks::”Pray that our troops be kept out of harm’s way, defeat our enemies, defend our freedoms, keep us safe, find terrorists who want to do us harm, eliminate the threat of al Qaeda, rid the world of weapons of mass destruction, spread democracy and freedom, and avenge 9/11.

Some Christians, if they were honest, would pray that our troops’ bombs, bullets, grenades, missiles, and mortars hit their targets. Or if they were really honest, a war prayer for the twenty-first century.

The problem with these prayers is that no thought is ever given to:

Where or why our troops go and how long our troops should stay.
What our troops do and how much it costs.
How many innocent foreigners die because our troops are there.
What physical and mental condition our troops will be in when they return.
Whether our troops are really defending our freedom.
Whether our troops are creating more terrorists because they went.
Whether our troops are actually a global force for good.

We are continually told to pray for the troops, thank the troops, and support the troops—and to do so unconditionally. But because I have considered these questions about the activities of our troops, and pay attention to what really goes on in the military, I think we should instead:

Pray that our troops come home and stop fighting foreign wars.
Pray that our troops don’t kill foreign civilians and don’t rape foreign women.
Pray that our troops get out of the military as soon as they can.
Pray that our troops don’t sexually assault military personnel.
Pray that our troops don’t frequent brothels or commit suicide.
Pray that our troops don’t get addicted to drugs.
Pray that our troops stop helping to carry out an evil U.S. foreign policy.
Pray that our troops stop making drone strikes – and widows and orphans.
Pray that our troops are only used for genuinely defensive purposes.
Pray that our troops think about the morality of their “service.”
Pray that our troops refuse to obey immoral orders.
Pray that our troops never become troops by saying no to the military recruiter.

One does not have to be religious to see that these prayers are different from the previous ones. Think about this when you see a billboard or church sign that says “Pray for Our Troops.”

Originally published on LewRockwell.com.

Keep Your Religion Out Of My Bloody Life - by LaFeminista

I don't care if you worship pie in the sky that forbids tonsillectomies. The fact that you also own a pie in the sky factory does not allow you to decide what anyone's health care should be. It is between the patient and her/his doctor.

I don't care if you think skin grafts are an abomination unto Nuggan

I don't care if some shriveled old monk thinks contraception makes Catholic Jesus cry.

Fine, if your god forbids any cutting of follicles you can go around looking like a tangled sheep for all I care. This does not mean I have to do the same. Our health has nothing to do with you or your god[s].

Quite frankly it is the same if I demand my employees cannot have insurance because they are wearing a cross because religious symbols offend my soul. This is what freedom from and of religion means. Keep out of my health care and I will keep out of yours.

Giving power to religion to control others is so against the first amendment as to be absurd. SCOTUS should have kicked this out without even bothering to hear the arguments.

Religion is not a science, religion has nothing to do with medicine. Why are we even having this bloody stupid argument in the first place?

Keep your religion away from me. I could not care one iota what you think your god thinks, Worship pie for all I care, just leave me out of it. You can go see a priest for health care if you want, I'll go see a doctor.

The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
Why Christians, America’s most populous religious group, feel so victimized - by Chase Madar

The most persecuted minority in the U. S.is not Muslims, African-Americans or immigrants. It’s our Christian supermajority that’s oppressed. Verily, consider these anecdotes.

On March 2, three Baptist ministers in Akron, Ohio, arranged for the police to mock-arrest them in their churches and haul them away in handcuffs for the simple act of preaching their faith. A video was posted on YouTube to drum up buzz for an upcoming revival show. A few atheist blogs object to uniformed police taking part in a church publicity stunt, but far more people who saw the YouTube video (24,082 views), in Ohio and elsewhere, took this media stunt as reality — confirmation of their wildest fears about a government clampdown on Christianity.

A film “Persecuted,” a political thriller about a government plan to censor Christianity in the name of liberalism, is due out in May. Featuring former Sen. Fred Thompson and Fox News host Gretchen Carlson, the film received a raves at the Conservative Political Action Conference on March 10 and is of a piece with other Christian films such as “God’s Not Dead,” about a freshman believer bullied into proving the existence of god by an atheist professor.

Wisconsin Archdiocese has Child Abuse Problem Solved: File Bankruptcy
By Annysa Johnson of the Journal Sentinel - April 4, 2014

The Catholic Archdiocese of Milwaukee, which faces more than a dozen civil fraud lawsuits over its handling of clergy sex abuse cases, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

The Archdiocese of Milwaukee's reorganization plan for exiting its bankruptcy is "morally repugnant," not in the best interest of its creditors and should be rejected by creditors and the court, a committee representing clergy sex abuse victims and other creditors said in a document filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court on Friday.

That objection takes issue with myriad assertions made by the archdiocese in the reorganization plan submitted to the court in February. And it telegraphs the committee's intention to continue to pursue certain assets, including $60 million the committee says was fraudulently transferred into a cemetery trust, proceeds from a $105 million capital campaign and the archdiocese's sprawling lakefront headquarters campus, known as the Cousins Center.

"The Committee believes the Plan is a morally repugnant attempt to shield essentially all of its assets, save insurance proceeds, from the claims of the Abuse Survivors and obtain releases (of liability) for itself and all its parishes," the creditors committee asserts in the filing. And it urges all creditors with standing to vote on the plan to reject it.

It is one of the largest Catholic Church bankruptcies to date with more than 570 sex abuse claims and has cost the archdiocese $12 million to date in legal fees, with millions more likely ahead.

Christianity - the last to get it right
By Leonard Pitts Jr. - The Miami Herald, April 6, 2014

Eleven years ago, Richard Stearns went to Washington.

Stearns - president of World Vision, the billion-dollar Christian relief organization - joined other faith leaders in lobbying Congress to spend $15 billion combating AIDS in Africa and the Caribbean. He acknowledged he and his fellow evangelicals were late to the fight against this pandemic and explained their tardiness with remarkable candor…. Stearns' words offered stark evidence of one of the failings of modern Christianity: its inability to get there on time.

"There" meaning any place people are suffering, hungry, exploited or simply denied some essential human right. Yes, there are exceptions… And yet ...

On issues where it should take the lead, challenging the status quo, marching in the streets, actively advocating for human dignity, the great body of Christendom always seems to bring up the rear, arriving decades late to the place the rest of the nation has already reached.

It's not just that delegation joining the AIDS fight 25 years after it began. It's also churches apologizing 30 years after the Civil Rights Act for supporting segregation. And Christian tardiness in standing up for the right of women to be freed from kitchens….

On March 24, World Vision announced it would no longer bar Christians in same-sex marriages from working there…. Two days later, almost 5,000 of his sponsors having abandoned him, Stearns was backpedaling like Michael Jackson singing "Billie Jean." He reversed the new policy, calling it a "bad decision" made from "the right motivations."…

When children are abandoned, hungry or abused, when some of us are mass incarcerated because of the melanin in our skin, when the poor are exploited by corrupt banks and ignored by useless politicians, these should be matters of religious conscience, too. and yes, when people are denigrated and denied because of whom or how they love, that, also, should trouble EWVERYONE.

For many, faith becomes this comfortable, pharisaical ritual that gazes outward only to condemn. So one watches World Vision's reversal of course with dull resignation, knowing all too well what is coming, 20 years down the line. Maybe by then, more of us will realize: faith is not an excuse for getting "there" last. It's an obligation to get there first.

Under God or Under Canada?

In 1954 the Knights of Columbus got Congress to change the pledge, dividing "One Nation Indivisible" and inserting "Under GOD" knowing that when children stand and recite or just hear that word "god" every day for 8 years it is like planting a seed and does have an effect. Likewise many Christians today think the way to plant seeds in non-believers is to keep saying something over and over, like "The Historical Jesus" and I and others on this list have tired of Karl going on and on about Capital A Atheists and The Historical Jesus without ever offering proof. This technique is being used all over the net as well as in many freethought and humanist meetings and I think it is time to start calling them on it....

Whether Shakespeare, Mark Twain, or Socrates were real "Historical Beings" or just pen names we can judge their books and decide if the ideas within are worthy of admiration. This Jesus (secret name meaning "Yahweh Saves") has no books, and therefore we can only speculate, as if he was real. And in doing so, we keep planting seeds of delusion. Gary King
Louisiana bill would name Bible as official state book

Lawmakers are moving ahead with a proposal to name the Bible as Louisiana's official state book, despite concerns the bill would land the Legislature in court. A House municipal committee advanced the bill Thursday with an 8-5 vote.

Rep. Thomas Carmody, R-Shreveport, said he sponsored the proposal after a constituent made the request. But Carmody insisted the bill wasn't designed to be a state-endorsement of Christianity or a specific religion. [Who would even think such a thing?]

"It's not to the exclusion of anyone else's sacred literature," he told the House committee. Again, later he said, "This is not about establishing an official religion of the state of Louisiana."

CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity
by Eric Zuesse

CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS documents Christianity’s creation-event, which occurred in the year 49 or 50, in Antioch (Antakya, Turkey), 20 years after Jesus had been crucified in Jerusalem for sedition against Roman rule. At this event, Paul broke away from the Jewish sect that Jesus had begun, and he took with him the majority of this new Jewish sect’s members; he convinced these people that Jesus had been a god, and that the way to win eternal salvation in heaven is to worship him as such. On this precise occasion, Paul explicitly introduced, for the first time anywhere, the duality of the previously unitary Jewish God, a duality consisting of the Father and the Son; and he implicitly introduced also the third element of the Trinity, the Holy Ghost.

This book also documents the 14-year-long conflict Paul had had with this sect’s leader, Jesus’s brother James, a conflict which caused Paul, in about the year 50, to perpetrate his coup d’état against James, and to start his own new religion: Christianity.

Then, this historical probe documents that the four canonical Gospel accounts of the words and actions of “Jesus” were written decades after Jesus, by followers of Paul, not by followers of Jesus; and that these writings placed into the mouth of “Jesus” the agenda of Paul. Paul thus became, via his followers, Christ’s ventriloquist.

A work such as this can be documented and produced only now, after the development of modern legal/forensic methodology. Previously, scholars have simply assumed the honesty-of-intent of all classical documents, especially of canonical religious ones, such as Paul’s epistles, and the Four Gospels. Only now is it finally possible to reach the writer’s intent, and not merely his assertions, and to identify when this intent is to deceive. This opens up a new research tool for historians, and CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS is the first to use these methods to reconstruct, on this legal/forensic basis, not just how crimes took place, but how and why major historical events (criminal or not), such as the event that started Christianity, actually occurred.

The author explains: “What I am doing in this work is to reconstruct from the New Testament the crucial events that produced it, without assuming whether what the NT says in any given passage is necessarily true or even honest. Instead of treating the NT as a work that ‘reports history,’ the NT is treated as a work whose history is itself being investigated and reported. Its origin goes back to this coup d’état that Paul perpetrated in Antioch in the year 49 or 50 against Jesus’s brother James in Jerusalem, whom Jesus in Jerusalem had appointed in the year 30 as his successor to lead the Jewish sect that Jesus had started. The Gospel accounts of ‘Jesus’ reflected Paul’s coup d’état – not actually Jesus, who would be appalled at the Christian concept of ‘Christ.’ That concept was radically different from the Jewish concept of the messiah, and Paul knew this when he created it.”

Zuesse’s books include IRAQ WAR: The Truth, and WHY THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED.
Monday, March 31, 2014

April 2014 Newsletter

April, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com

Program - Jeanine Williams - Navigating the Transgender Spectrum
Jeanine Williams is the past outreach coordinator for the Rocky Mountain chapter of TRI-ESS (The Society for the Second Self), and an occasional mentor and activist for the transgender community.

Just say NO to Noah
Advice from FFRF on discussing Noah with believers

Being biblical skeptics, we might respond by asking, “You do understand the story of Noah’s ark is just a myth don’t you?”

If they say, “No, the story of Noah is true,” some work may be required....

Here are some further questions you might wish to pose to them:

1) Do you realize there have been many “global flood” fables throughout history, including in the early cultures of Babylonia, India, Egypt, Sumer, and many other places?

2) In Genesis, there are two conflicting passages citing how many of each creature God had Noah collect. Two of every kind, male and female according to Genesis 6:19. But in Genesis 7:2-3, Noah is instructed to bring seven pairs (male & female) of all that are “clean” and a single pair (male & female) of all that are “not clean” into the ark. Which passage are we to believe?

3) How were the animals able to make their pilgrimage to the ark from all over the globe in just seven days?

4) Were Noah and his family the ONLY ones on the entire planet worthy of surviving God’s apocalyptic event, or did God murder many innocent people just to prove that he could?

5) Noah was said to be 600 years old. Do you believe humans can live to be that old? Why would God ask a 600 year old man to go through the trouble of building an ark longer than a football field, when he could have provided one for Noah? Or just snapped his fingers and made everyone else on the planet simply disappear as opposed to making them suffer horrible deaths from drowning, and at the same time slaughtering millions of innocent animals? Does that not seem a bit malevolent and sadistic toward those God was supposed to love?

6) Even during the time of Noah, there were millions species of animals living on earth, including insects. Would seven pairs, or even one pair, of each kind be able to fit on an ark the size of the one described in the bible? How many pounds of food would be needed to feed each animal daily for six months? How would the predators have been kept from eating the herbivores? What was done with all the animal waste? How could none have died from disease? Were there dinosaurs of every kind on the ark too?

7) After the flood, God told Noah that because the human heart was no longer inclined to be evil from youth, he would never again destroy every living creature as he had just done. Why is it that God then went on to destroy many civilizations, such as the entire tribe of Korah (men, women AND children) which he buried alive, and cause the complete destruction of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, just to name a few?

8) If there had been a global flood, where did all the water go? And why is it that scientists can find no sedimentary trace of the effects of a flood that supposedly covered the entire planet?
For more ammunition against those who believe the story of Noah to be true, go to the Skeptic’s Dictionary at: http://www.skepdic.com/noahsark.html

Norway disestablishes the state Lutheran church
by Gene Veith

The Norwegian parliament has voted to do away with the state church. The measure, which was passed unanimously and which also seems to have the approval of church officials, will still provide some church funding, though extending that to other groups, including “humanists.” Though all Norwegians have been enrolled in the church upon their baptism, only 2% of the population attend regularly and 72% do not believe in a personal God. Religion remains important, according to polls, for 20% of the population.

Kentucky Churches Giving Away Guns to Help People Discover Jesus
by Rebecca Leber

The Kentucky Baptist Convention wants to "point people to Christ" by giving away guns at Second Amendment Celebrations hosted across the state. In the words of spokesman Chuck McAlister, the strategy is "outreach to rednecks," and 1,000 people are expected to attend the next event. To lure the nonreligious into the fold, the churches are offering a handgun, shotgun, or long gun as door prizes…. "The number of unchurched men who will show up will be in direct proportion to the number of guns you give away," McAlister told The Courier-Journal. "And I can almost tell you the number of men who would show up based on the make or model." At one event in February, McAlister reportedly took the stage surrounded by guns and discussed politics, saying gun violence is "not the gun, it's the man behind the gun," and "criminals don't care about a bunch of rules." God did not come up for the first 30 minutes…. Kentucky suffers from its share of gun violence, with a higher rate of firearm homicides and deaths than most states.

Largest Fossil Bed Ever Discovered Lies Directly Beneath Creationist Museum
Free Word Press (Satire)

PETERSBURG, KY — During excavation to extend their parking lot, a Creationist Museum backhoe ran into a huge bone that could not be moved. News of the find spread quickly despite Ken Ham’s attempt to remove the bone without letting outsiders hear of the discovery. Univ.of Kentucky paleontologist Prof. Raymond Stiles was the first non-creationist scientist on the scene.

Carbon dating places the fossil at approx. 250 million years old and has now been identified as a portion of the spine of a brontosaurus, one of the largest dinosaurs of the Jurassic period.

Further investigation revealed hundreds more fossils that extend under the Creationist Museum, contends that the earth is 6000 years old and that man and dinosaurs walked the earth together.

Asked if he expected to find any human bones in the bed, Professor Stiles said, “It would be a miracle if we did. This fossil bed appears to be one of the largest and richest ever discovered and dates to over 250 million years ago. Man and dinosaurs are separated by millions of years.”

A bitter battle is brewing between scientists who want to continue the excavation, which would entail tearing down the museum to access the fossil bed and the Creationist Museum, which is run by the Christian Apologetics Ministry, who maintain that the fossils don’t actually exist.

George Carlin on God
Part 1 - See part 2 next month.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion. No contest. Religion! Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Talk about a good bullshit story.

But I want you to know that when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and-likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.

And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
--Concluded next month

Pastor of the largest Pentacostal Christian (Megachurch) congregation in South Korea Convicted for Embezzling $12 Million

Last week, David Yongi-Cho was convicted of embezzling $12 million in funds from the Yoido Full Gospel Church. He was given a three-year suspended prison sentence (five years until he actually goes to jail) and ordered to pay nearly $5 million in fines. The Yoido Gospel, which David founded, is the largest Pentacostal Christian congregation in South Korea, making him an icon—and not just in South Korea—the guy even has a his own celebratory name day dedicated to him by the church of New York.

[Hmmmm - Steals $12 million but pays $5 million in fines. Jesus crime doth pay.]

The Senior Pastor Young Hoon Lee (a subordinate position to Cho's, which he has since forfeited) made an apology for the conduct of the church, then dived into the most ironic topic possible—corruption. In a mystifying ramble, Lee proclaimed that “money is the true source of true evil," and “that following money is the path to corruption." He then said it was “time for the offerings."

David Cho, dressed in a polka dot red tie, began what can only be described as an altogether verbose discussion about suffering. He finally mentioned that the past few years have been an “ordeal for him” and that he “no longer wished for money.” But then, lo and behold, he announced it was “time for another offering.”