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April 2014 Newsletter

April, 2014 Newsletter of the Lake Superior Freethinkers

Facilitators: David Broman - 218-349-7455, Bill Guse - 834-4583, 343-4806

First Sunday -Radisson – 9:00 AM Social – 9:30 Breakfast - 10:00 Presentation


George Erickson, editor, tundracub@mchsi.com

Program - Jeanine Williams - Navigating the Transgender Spectrum
Jeanine Williams is the past outreach coordinator for the Rocky Mountain chapter of TRI-ESS (The Society for the Second Self), and an occasional mentor and activist for the transgender community.

Just say NO to Noah
Advice from FFRF on discussing Noah with believers

Being biblical skeptics, we might respond by asking, “You do understand the story of Noah’s ark is just a myth don’t you?”

If they say, “No, the story of Noah is true,” some work may be required....

Here are some further questions you might wish to pose to them:

1) Do you realize there have been many “global flood” fables throughout history, including in the early cultures of Babylonia, India, Egypt, Sumer, and many other places?

2) In Genesis, there are two conflicting passages citing how many of each creature God had Noah collect. Two of every kind, male and female according to Genesis 6:19. But in Genesis 7:2-3, Noah is instructed to bring seven pairs (male & female) of all that are “clean” and a single pair (male & female) of all that are “not clean” into the ark. Which passage are we to believe?

3) How were the animals able to make their pilgrimage to the ark from all over the globe in just seven days?

4) Were Noah and his family the ONLY ones on the entire planet worthy of surviving God’s apocalyptic event, or did God murder many innocent people just to prove that he could?

5) Noah was said to be 600 years old. Do you believe humans can live to be that old? Why would God ask a 600 year old man to go through the trouble of building an ark longer than a football field, when he could have provided one for Noah? Or just snapped his fingers and made everyone else on the planet simply disappear as opposed to making them suffer horrible deaths from drowning, and at the same time slaughtering millions of innocent animals? Does that not seem a bit malevolent and sadistic toward those God was supposed to love?

6) Even during the time of Noah, there were millions species of animals living on earth, including insects. Would seven pairs, or even one pair, of each kind be able to fit on an ark the size of the one described in the bible? How many pounds of food would be needed to feed each animal daily for six months? How would the predators have been kept from eating the herbivores? What was done with all the animal waste? How could none have died from disease? Were there dinosaurs of every kind on the ark too?

7) After the flood, God told Noah that because the human heart was no longer inclined to be evil from youth, he would never again destroy every living creature as he had just done. Why is it that God then went on to destroy many civilizations, such as the entire tribe of Korah (men, women AND children) which he buried alive, and cause the complete destruction of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, just to name a few?

8) If there had been a global flood, where did all the water go? And why is it that scientists can find no sedimentary trace of the effects of a flood that supposedly covered the entire planet?
For more ammunition against those who believe the story of Noah to be true, go to the Skeptic’s Dictionary at: http://www.skepdic.com/noahsark.html

Norway disestablishes the state Lutheran church
by Gene Veith

The Norwegian parliament has voted to do away with the state church. The measure, which was passed unanimously and which also seems to have the approval of church officials, will still provide some church funding, though extending that to other groups, including “humanists.” Though all Norwegians have been enrolled in the church upon their baptism, only 2% of the population attend regularly and 72% do not believe in a personal God. Religion remains important, according to polls, for 20% of the population.

Kentucky Churches Giving Away Guns to Help People Discover Jesus
by Rebecca Leber

The Kentucky Baptist Convention wants to "point people to Christ" by giving away guns at Second Amendment Celebrations hosted across the state. In the words of spokesman Chuck McAlister, the strategy is "outreach to rednecks," and 1,000 people are expected to attend the next event. To lure the nonreligious into the fold, the churches are offering a handgun, shotgun, or long gun as door prizes…. "The number of unchurched men who will show up will be in direct proportion to the number of guns you give away," McAlister told The Courier-Journal. "And I can almost tell you the number of men who would show up based on the make or model." At one event in February, McAlister reportedly took the stage surrounded by guns and discussed politics, saying gun violence is "not the gun, it's the man behind the gun," and "criminals don't care about a bunch of rules." God did not come up for the first 30 minutes…. Kentucky suffers from its share of gun violence, with a higher rate of firearm homicides and deaths than most states.

Largest Fossil Bed Ever Discovered Lies Directly Beneath Creationist Museum
Free Word Press (Satire)

PETERSBURG, KY — During excavation to extend their parking lot, a Creationist Museum backhoe ran into a huge bone that could not be moved. News of the find spread quickly despite Ken Ham’s attempt to remove the bone without letting outsiders hear of the discovery. Univ.of Kentucky paleontologist Prof. Raymond Stiles was the first non-creationist scientist on the scene.

Carbon dating places the fossil at approx. 250 million years old and has now been identified as a portion of the spine of a brontosaurus, one of the largest dinosaurs of the Jurassic period.

Further investigation revealed hundreds more fossils that extend under the Creationist Museum, contends that the earth is 6000 years old and that man and dinosaurs walked the earth together.

Asked if he expected to find any human bones in the bed, Professor Stiles said, “It would be a miracle if we did. This fossil bed appears to be one of the largest and richest ever discovered and dates to over 250 million years ago. Man and dinosaurs are separated by millions of years.”

A bitter battle is brewing between scientists who want to continue the excavation, which would entail tearing down the museum to access the fossil bed and the Creationist Museum, which is run by the Christian Apologetics Ministry, who maintain that the fossils don’t actually exist.

George Carlin on God
Part 1 - See part 2 next month.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion. No contest. Religion! Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Talk about a good bullshit story.

But I want you to know that when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and-likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.

And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
--Concluded next month

Pastor of the largest Pentacostal Christian (Megachurch) congregation in South Korea Convicted for Embezzling $12 Million

Last week, David Yongi-Cho was convicted of embezzling $12 million in funds from the Yoido Full Gospel Church. He was given a three-year suspended prison sentence (five years until he actually goes to jail) and ordered to pay nearly $5 million in fines. The Yoido Gospel, which David founded, is the largest Pentacostal Christian congregation in South Korea, making him an icon—and not just in South Korea—the guy even has a his own celebratory name day dedicated to him by the church of New York.

[Hmmmm - Steals $12 million but pays $5 million in fines. Jesus crime doth pay.]

The Senior Pastor Young Hoon Lee (a subordinate position to Cho's, which he has since forfeited) made an apology for the conduct of the church, then dived into the most ironic topic possible—corruption. In a mystifying ramble, Lee proclaimed that “money is the true source of true evil," and “that following money is the path to corruption." He then said it was “time for the offerings."

David Cho, dressed in a polka dot red tie, began what can only be described as an altogether verbose discussion about suffering. He finally mentioned that the past few years have been an “ordeal for him” and that he “no longer wished for money.” But then, lo and behold, he announced it was “time for another offering.”

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